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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Pat-- You raise a series of important questions, and the WW1 centennial is certainly a good time to address them. I agree that the unavailability of Trotsky&#039;s writings during the War is a very serious barrier to understanding of revolutionary opposition to the conflict. The problem is compounded by the fact that we are sometimes working from 100-year-old translations of doubtful accuracy, and the issue of competing versions of the same article that you point to.

In my 1984 book, &quot;Lenin&#039;s Struggle for a Revolutionary International,&quot; I provided what I hoped was a representative selection of Trotsky&#039;s 1914-16 writings on the war, presented in their historical context beside writings from other viewpoints, ranging from Lenin to Kautsky. I am not aware of any more recent anthology that has provided a more comprehensive selection.

I&#039;d certainly be interested in hearing (and perhaps publishing) your impression of that collection of Trotsky&#039;s wartime writings, and its limitations.

This book is still in print and exists in PDF format, but the digital record has not been made available -- not even in the form of short promotional excerpts, which would help build sales. That is why I have undertaken to provide my own collection of excerpts on this blog and in the U.S. Socialist Worker. Unfortunately, because of copyright issues, I must do entirely new translations, which limits the scope of this enterprise.

In preparing that book, I relied mainly on Trotsky&#039;s post-1917 collection of his wartime writings, Voina i Revoliutsiia. It&#039;s a fascinating anthology, particularly in Trotsky&#039;s willingness to publish writings that were in sharp conflict with Lenin&#039;s positions at the time. This is indicative of the freedom of discussion of historical issues among Bolsheviks at the time. In Lenin&#039;s time, they had no &quot;party line&quot; on history -- in contrast to so many small revolutionary groups today.

There is another anthology, and I must admit I cannot for the moment recall its title. (I lost access to my files in 2004.) This book was also published in Russian in the 1920s, and it contains the writings that Trotsky did not find worthy of inclusion in his main volume. A partially annotated draft translation by Brian Pearce exists and passed through my hands in the 1980s; I secured its deposit in the Amsterdam IISG, and it can be accessed there. 

This collection consists of Trotsky&#039;s journalistic writings, especially for Kievskais Mysl&#039;, and the articles do not say much on the key strategic issues that you are concerned with. Still, it&#039;s interesting to see how Trotsky handled the challenge of writing for legal, non-revolutionary papers functioning under war censorship, and much of the descriptive material is vivid and revealing.

I don&#039;t see how you can say the &quot;peace movement&quot; failed in 1914-18. What failed was the concept of a peace movement separated from the class struggle as a whole. Perhaps this is what you mean. As I wrote in &quot;Responding to capitalist global disaster: World War and climate change&quot;, this lesson seems applicable to our response to capitalism&#039;s current war against a sustainable physical environment for humankind.

By the way, Paul Kellogg gave a strong defense of key aspects of Trotsky&#039;s wartime positions in a paper at the May 2015 Historical Materialism conference in Toronto. Also, Lars Lih has underlined how Lenin shifted his position on &quot;defeatism&quot; soon after the February 1917 revolution.

John Riddell]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Pat&#8211; You raise a series of important questions, and the WW1 centennial is certainly a good time to address them. I agree that the unavailability of Trotsky&#8217;s writings during the War is a very serious barrier to understanding of revolutionary opposition to the conflict. The problem is compounded by the fact that we are sometimes working from 100-year-old translations of doubtful accuracy, and the issue of competing versions of the same article that you point to.</p>
<p>In my 1984 book, &#8220;Lenin&#8217;s Struggle for a Revolutionary International,&#8221; I provided what I hoped was a representative selection of Trotsky&#8217;s 1914-16 writings on the war, presented in their historical context beside writings from other viewpoints, ranging from Lenin to Kautsky. I am not aware of any more recent anthology that has provided a more comprehensive selection.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d certainly be interested in hearing (and perhaps publishing) your impression of that collection of Trotsky&#8217;s wartime writings, and its limitations.</p>
<p>This book is still in print and exists in PDF format, but the digital record has not been made available &#8212; not even in the form of short promotional excerpts, which would help build sales. That is why I have undertaken to provide my own collection of excerpts on this blog and in the U.S. Socialist Worker. Unfortunately, because of copyright issues, I must do entirely new translations, which limits the scope of this enterprise.</p>
<p>In preparing that book, I relied mainly on Trotsky&#8217;s post-1917 collection of his wartime writings, Voina i Revoliutsiia. It&#8217;s a fascinating anthology, particularly in Trotsky&#8217;s willingness to publish writings that were in sharp conflict with Lenin&#8217;s positions at the time. This is indicative of the freedom of discussion of historical issues among Bolsheviks at the time. In Lenin&#8217;s time, they had no &#8220;party line&#8221; on history &#8212; in contrast to so many small revolutionary groups today.</p>
<p>There is another anthology, and I must admit I cannot for the moment recall its title. (I lost access to my files in 2004.) This book was also published in Russian in the 1920s, and it contains the writings that Trotsky did not find worthy of inclusion in his main volume. A partially annotated draft translation by Brian Pearce exists and passed through my hands in the 1980s; I secured its deposit in the Amsterdam IISG, and it can be accessed there. </p>
<p>This collection consists of Trotsky&#8217;s journalistic writings, especially for Kievskais Mysl&#8217;, and the articles do not say much on the key strategic issues that you are concerned with. Still, it&#8217;s interesting to see how Trotsky handled the challenge of writing for legal, non-revolutionary papers functioning under war censorship, and much of the descriptive material is vivid and revealing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how you can say the &#8220;peace movement&#8221; failed in 1914-18. What failed was the concept of a peace movement separated from the class struggle as a whole. Perhaps this is what you mean. As I wrote in &#8220;Responding to capitalist global disaster: World War and climate change&#8221;, this lesson seems applicable to our response to capitalism&#8217;s current war against a sustainable physical environment for humankind.</p>
<p>By the way, Paul Kellogg gave a strong defense of key aspects of Trotsky&#8217;s wartime positions in a paper at the May 2015 Historical Materialism conference in Toronto. Also, Lars Lih has underlined how Lenin shifted his position on &#8220;defeatism&#8221; soon after the February 1917 revolution.</p>
<p>John Riddell</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://johnriddell.com/2014/11/03/100-years-ago-two-calls-to-struggle-against-the-world-war/#comment-4521&quot;&gt;Pat Byrne&lt;/a&gt;.

Pat, thanks for your thoughtful comments. I&#039;ll respond early in the week...

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://johnriddell.com/2014/11/03/100-years-ago-two-calls-to-struggle-against-the-world-war/#comment-4521">Pat Byrne</a>.</p>
<p>Pat, thanks for your thoughtful comments. I&#8217;ll respond early in the week&#8230;</p>
<p>John Riddell</p>
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		By: Pat Byrne		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just an addendum. 
A classic example of the continuing lack of access to Trotsky&#039;s writing on his strategy against the war, is Trotsky&#039;s &#039;Programme for Peace&#039; which I had occasion to re-read recently on the Marxists Internet Archive at: https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/fi/vol05/no09/trotsky.htm
   The latest version we have of this important document in English is still not the original from 1915 but one that was significantly revised by Trotsky in July 1917, with an obvious change of strategy and slogans introduced in the revision. Just why the editors of the Archive should want to update the old inaccurate version with yet another revised version is baffling. Yes, the revisions are in themselves of considerable interest but they should have been shown below the original version so that we could see the development of Trotsky&#039;s thinking and thus to better evaluate his earlier and later opinions. 

Also, some years back I had hoped that &#039;Trotsky and the First World War&#039; by Ian Thatcher was going to give me access to Trotsky&#039;s positions on the anti-war struggle but unfortunately, Ian chose to quote very little of what Trotsky actually wrote, preferring to give his interpretations of what he wrote. Once again a very frustrating state of affairs.
Pat]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an addendum.<br />
A classic example of the continuing lack of access to Trotsky&#8217;s writing on his strategy against the war, is Trotsky&#8217;s &#8216;Programme for Peace&#8217; which I had occasion to re-read recently on the Marxists Internet Archive at: <a href="https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/fi/vol05/no09/trotsky.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/fi/vol05/no09/trotsky.htm</a><br />
   The latest version we have of this important document in English is still not the original from 1915 but one that was significantly revised by Trotsky in July 1917, with an obvious change of strategy and slogans introduced in the revision. Just why the editors of the Archive should want to update the old inaccurate version with yet another revised version is baffling. Yes, the revisions are in themselves of considerable interest but they should have been shown below the original version so that we could see the development of Trotsky&#8217;s thinking and thus to better evaluate his earlier and later opinions. </p>
<p>Also, some years back I had hoped that &#8216;Trotsky and the First World War&#8217; by Ian Thatcher was going to give me access to Trotsky&#8217;s positions on the anti-war struggle but unfortunately, Ian chose to quote very little of what Trotsky actually wrote, preferring to give his interpretations of what he wrote. Once again a very frustrating state of affairs.<br />
Pat</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi John,
Thanks once again for posting up this material. You really are providing a very valuable and important service to the labour movement and we are most grateful for this.

It is a great misfortune that while we have access in English to almost all of Lenin&#039;s writings there is still a significant section of Trotsky&#039;s material that has not yet been translated and made available. This is particularly the case with Trotsky&#039;s writing in the First World War. So your publication here of his article is very much appreciated.

I would argue that the century-long lack of availability of Trotsky&#039;s war-time writing was a political decision by both the Leninist and Trotskyist movements not to publish what they would regard at best as irrelevant or at worst as embarrassing material. Material that might undermine the &quot;infallible&quot; image of Lenin or Trotsky or both. In doing so I think that they have done not only a disservice to the historical debate but have underestimated the intelligence of the socialist community.

Coming on to the important difference between Lenin and Trotsky on their response to the First World War, I believe that in this difference lies an explanation of why the socialist left in Europe failed to develop an effective anti-war movement in Europe despite the great potential laid for it in Zimmerwald. 

Hopefully, as we progress through the 100th anniversary of the various stages of the First World War, great comrades like John Riddell and others will encourage the translation and publication of the relevant war-time writings of Trotsky and others so that we can understand what happened to &quot;The Peace Campaign That Never Was&quot;.
Pat Byrne
patbyrneme@gmail.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,<br />
Thanks once again for posting up this material. You really are providing a very valuable and important service to the labour movement and we are most grateful for this.</p>
<p>It is a great misfortune that while we have access in English to almost all of Lenin&#8217;s writings there is still a significant section of Trotsky&#8217;s material that has not yet been translated and made available. This is particularly the case with Trotsky&#8217;s writing in the First World War. So your publication here of his article is very much appreciated.</p>
<p>I would argue that the century-long lack of availability of Trotsky&#8217;s war-time writing was a political decision by both the Leninist and Trotskyist movements not to publish what they would regard at best as irrelevant or at worst as embarrassing material. Material that might undermine the &#8220;infallible&#8221; image of Lenin or Trotsky or both. In doing so I think that they have done not only a disservice to the historical debate but have underestimated the intelligence of the socialist community.</p>
<p>Coming on to the important difference between Lenin and Trotsky on their response to the First World War, I believe that in this difference lies an explanation of why the socialist left in Europe failed to develop an effective anti-war movement in Europe despite the great potential laid for it in Zimmerwald. </p>
<p>Hopefully, as we progress through the 100th anniversary of the various stages of the First World War, great comrades like John Riddell and others will encourage the translation and publication of the relevant war-time writings of Trotsky and others so that we can understand what happened to &#8220;The Peace Campaign That Never Was&#8221;.<br />
Pat Byrne<br />
<a href="mailto:patbyrneme@gmail.com">patbyrneme@gmail.com</a></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Further to the omission in my reprint of the Lenin excerpt -- on further investigation, it seems to have been the result of an anomaly in Marxist Internet Archive&#039;s formatting of the text. -- John]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to the omission in my reprint of the Lenin excerpt &#8212; on further investigation, it seems to have been the result of an anomaly in Marxist Internet Archive&#8217;s formatting of the text. &#8212; John</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://johnriddell.com/2014/11/03/100-years-ago-two-calls-to-struggle-against-the-world-war/#comment-4469&quot;&gt;Αγγελος&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Angelos--
Thank you for pointing out the unfortunate omission from my reprint of the Lenin article in my &quot;100 years ago: Two calls to struggle against the world war.&quot; I have restored the missing words on my website.
How could this have happened? As you surmise, the text was lifted directly from Marxists Internet Archive, without omissions. Was a line perhaps inadvertently deleted? Perhaps. If I find a better explanation, I&#039;ll tell you.
I offer my apologies to all my readers for this misleading error.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://johnriddell.com/2014/11/03/100-years-ago-two-calls-to-struggle-against-the-world-war/#comment-4469">Αγγελος</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Angelos&#8211;<br />
Thank you for pointing out the unfortunate omission from my reprint of the Lenin article in my &#8220;100 years ago: Two calls to struggle against the world war.&#8221; I have restored the missing words on my website.<br />
How could this have happened? As you surmise, the text was lifted directly from Marxists Internet Archive, without omissions. Was a line perhaps inadvertently deleted? Perhaps. If I find a better explanation, I&#8217;ll tell you.<br />
I offer my apologies to all my readers for this misleading error.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[You dropped a whole passage shortly before the end of paragraph 4 of Lenin&#039;s text. It should read &quot;...and forgetting that illegal forms  of organisation and agitation are imperative at times of crises. One of the organs of international opportunism, Sozialistische Monatshefte, which has long taken a national liberal stand,  is very properly celebrating its victory over European socialism. &quot;

Just curious: how could this happen? didn&#039;t you just cut and paste the publication in Marxists Internet Archive, which you quite properly credit as your source?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You dropped a whole passage shortly before the end of paragraph 4 of Lenin&#8217;s text. It should read &#8220;&#8230;and forgetting that illegal forms  of organisation and agitation are imperative at times of crises. One of the organs of international opportunism, Sozialistische Monatshefte, which has long taken a national liberal stand,  is very properly celebrating its victory over European socialism. &#8221;</p>
<p>Just curious: how could this happen? didn&#8217;t you just cut and paste the publication in Marxists Internet Archive, which you quite properly credit as your source?</p>
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