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		By: Geoff Brown		</title>
		<link>https://johnriddell.com/2012/04/26/how-revolutionaries-of-lenins-time-resisted-austerity/#comment-473</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This excellent article does leave us with the question: What happened?  I would like to know more about the refusal of the social democrats to support the idea and the consequences of that refusal.  

Two years later, in the great crisis of 1923 the majority of German workers were supporting the KPD. Is it possible to show that the call to make the rich pay back in 1921 helped towards this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This excellent article does leave us with the question: What happened?  I would like to know more about the refusal of the social democrats to support the idea and the consequences of that refusal.  </p>
<p>Two years later, in the great crisis of 1923 the majority of German workers were supporting the KPD. Is it possible to show that the call to make the rich pay back in 1921 helped towards this?</p>
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		By: John Riddell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Riddell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nelson Rubio says that the German Communists&#039; proposal to tax the capitalist class did not work in 1921 and is therefore a poor model for today. In fact the proposal was not tried; the Social Democrats refused the Communists&#039; overtures for a united front to fight for its implementation.

Taxation of the rich is not a particularly radical proposal and is often proposed, and even occasionally implemented to some degree, by Social Democratic parties. What was novel in the Communists&#039; approach was the notion that workers should unite across ideological lines in a mass campaign to force through a radical version of this proposal.

In Ontario, where I live, the Social Democrats (NDP) have just secured adoption of a 2% special tax on the very rich. A big-business newspaper (Globe and Mail) comments that, in the past, such measures have not produced any additional revenue. The very rich simply escalate their tax evasion by reorganizing their holdings and faking their tax returns, the Globe tells us. If this should actually happen, Ernst Meyer&#039;s proposal of a campaign for confiscatory taxation of capitalist material assets could be a relevant response.

Anthony Brain raises many interesting questions; I&#039;ll limit myself to a couple of them.

He writes that &quot;re-establishment of Revolutionary Marxism on a mass scale ... could come from diverse currents in the left and wider workers’ movement.&quot; This strikes me as correct, and I agree with his appeal for &quot;tactical flexibility&quot; in pursuing that goal.

Anthony asks me what I think of &quot;permanent revolution&quot;. This is a concept that has been used in many different ways over a period of more than 160 years. It is best to discuss it with references to specific situations and challenges. For example, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has invoked the concept of &quot;permanent revolution,&quot; even as many Marxists denounced him in the name of &quot;permanent revolution.&quot; You will find some related comments by me in the Venezuela section of this website.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nelson Rubio says that the German Communists&#8217; proposal to tax the capitalist class did not work in 1921 and is therefore a poor model for today. In fact the proposal was not tried; the Social Democrats refused the Communists&#8217; overtures for a united front to fight for its implementation.</p>
<p>Taxation of the rich is not a particularly radical proposal and is often proposed, and even occasionally implemented to some degree, by Social Democratic parties. What was novel in the Communists&#8217; approach was the notion that workers should unite across ideological lines in a mass campaign to force through a radical version of this proposal.</p>
<p>In Ontario, where I live, the Social Democrats (NDP) have just secured adoption of a 2% special tax on the very rich. A big-business newspaper (Globe and Mail) comments that, in the past, such measures have not produced any additional revenue. The very rich simply escalate their tax evasion by reorganizing their holdings and faking their tax returns, the Globe tells us. If this should actually happen, Ernst Meyer&#8217;s proposal of a campaign for confiscatory taxation of capitalist material assets could be a relevant response.</p>
<p>Anthony Brain raises many interesting questions; I&#8217;ll limit myself to a couple of them.</p>
<p>He writes that &#8220;re-establishment of Revolutionary Marxism on a mass scale &#8230; could come from diverse currents in the left and wider workers’ movement.&#8221; This strikes me as correct, and I agree with his appeal for &#8220;tactical flexibility&#8221; in pursuing that goal.</p>
<p>Anthony asks me what I think of &#8220;permanent revolution&#8221;. This is a concept that has been used in many different ways over a period of more than 160 years. It is best to discuss it with references to specific situations and challenges. For example, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has invoked the concept of &#8220;permanent revolution,&#8221; even as many Marxists denounced him in the name of &#8220;permanent revolution.&#8221; You will find some related comments by me in the Venezuela section of this website.</p>
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		By: Hans Modlich, Toronto		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Modlich, Toronto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Skeptic  Nelson asks a  legitimate  question.   It  deserves  an  answer:   

 I&#039;m just  reading  a history  of  Berlin by  my fave German  historian-journalist  Bernt Engelmann; &quot;Berlin - Eine  Stadt wie  Keine  Andere&quot;  and  in  it  he  refers  to  the efforts  of pioneer  aviator  Otto  Lilienthal.  He  died  trying  out  one  of  his pioneering glider  flights --  having  flown  distances  up  to 450 metres -- in 1896.

Humanity  builds  on the  experiences  of our  predecessors -- including  the  failures.  But  until  we  analyze and learn  from  the  errors  of  the  past --  we  are  doomed  to  repeat  the  failures.

Ernst Meter&#039;s role  stands  out  in  stark  contrast  to  the  other [still alive]   leaders  of the  German  left  at  one  of  those  rare  moments  in history  when  genuine  revolutionary  change  was   definitely  on the  agenda.

Thanks  John  Ridell  for  bringing  this  to  our  attention.

PS: Tomorrow  I&#039;m  on  my  umpteenth trans-atlantic  flight  back to  Toronto - not  least  because  of  Otto  Lilienthal!....and  the  treacherous  betrayals of  the  SPD leadership of Ebert  and  Noske.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skeptic  Nelson asks a  legitimate  question.   It  deserves  an  answer:   </p>
<p> I&#8217;m just  reading  a history  of  Berlin by  my fave German  historian-journalist  Bernt Engelmann; &#8220;Berlin &#8211; Eine  Stadt wie  Keine  Andere&#8221;  and  in  it  he  refers  to  the efforts  of pioneer  aviator  Otto  Lilienthal.  He  died  trying  out  one  of  his pioneering glider  flights &#8212;  having  flown  distances  up  to 450 metres &#8212; in 1896.</p>
<p>Humanity  builds  on the  experiences  of our  predecessors &#8212; including  the  failures.  But  until  we  analyze and learn  from  the  errors  of  the  past &#8212;  we  are  doomed  to  repeat  the  failures.</p>
<p>Ernst Meter&#8217;s role  stands  out  in  stark  contrast  to  the  other [still alive]   leaders  of the  German  left  at  one  of  those  rare  moments  in history  when  genuine  revolutionary  change  was   definitely  on the  agenda.</p>
<p>Thanks  John  Ridell  for  bringing  this  to  our  attention.</p>
<p>PS: Tomorrow  I&#8217;m  on  my  umpteenth trans-atlantic  flight  back to  Toronto &#8211; not  least  because  of  Otto  Lilienthal!&#8230;.and  the  treacherous  betrayals of  the  SPD leadership of Ebert  and  Noske.</p>
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		By: Anthony Brain		</title>
		<link>https://johnriddell.com/2012/04/26/how-revolutionaries-of-lenins-time-resisted-austerity/#comment-468</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is good that Florian Wilde is arguing for the correct application in 1921 of United Front and Transitional Demands (is what in practice is arguing on how to fight for tax seizures against the Ultra-Lefts within the KPD who opposed the tax seizure tactic! This is a very interesting development and represents a re-composition within working class and left politics. It could lead to re-establishment of Revolutionary Marxism on a mass scale (which I call Leninism-Trotskyism).  Due to the degeneration and collapse of ex-Trotskyists tendencies’ moving in the direction of Leninism-Trotskyism could come from diverse currents in the left and wider workers’ movement.   This is why Trotskyists have to be most tactically flexible to any such currents!  

Trotskyists should relate to this development in the Left Party by Florian Wilde and any sectarianism would be fatal! What is Wilde&#039;s overall politics, does he have any ism ideology?

 Do you still consider yourself a Trotskyist? What do you think of Permanent Revolution? I

I saw on Russia Today Wednesday morning that the riot police were using tear gas and water cannons against in La Paz (Bolivian Capital) miners who are fighting for a 6/7% pay increase and improvement in working conditions. 

Big developments in Canada with the mass student upheaval in Quebec; massive strikes; and possibility of NDP winning the next Canadian general election!

Anthony Brain]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good that Florian Wilde is arguing for the correct application in 1921 of United Front and Transitional Demands (is what in practice is arguing on how to fight for tax seizures against the Ultra-Lefts within the KPD who opposed the tax seizure tactic! This is a very interesting development and represents a re-composition within working class and left politics. It could lead to re-establishment of Revolutionary Marxism on a mass scale (which I call Leninism-Trotskyism).  Due to the degeneration and collapse of ex-Trotskyists tendencies’ moving in the direction of Leninism-Trotskyism could come from diverse currents in the left and wider workers’ movement.   This is why Trotskyists have to be most tactically flexible to any such currents!  </p>
<p>Trotskyists should relate to this development in the Left Party by Florian Wilde and any sectarianism would be fatal! What is Wilde&#8217;s overall politics, does he have any ism ideology?</p>
<p> Do you still consider yourself a Trotskyist? What do you think of Permanent Revolution? I</p>
<p>I saw on Russia Today Wednesday morning that the riot police were using tear gas and water cannons against in La Paz (Bolivian Capital) miners who are fighting for a 6/7% pay increase and improvement in working conditions. </p>
<p>Big developments in Canada with the mass student upheaval in Quebec; massive strikes; and possibility of NDP winning the next Canadian general election!</p>
<p>Anthony Brain</p>
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		By: Nelson Rubio		</title>
		<link>https://johnriddell.com/2012/04/26/how-revolutionaries-of-lenins-time-resisted-austerity/#comment-467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nelson Rubio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Proposals from 90 years ago that did not work is a suggestion for today?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proposals from 90 years ago that did not work is a suggestion for today?</p>
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